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Sheelah replied to the topic 2.2 Prophecy and interpretation in the forum <i>Jesus the Forgiving Victim</i> Online Course Discussion Forum 6 years ago
This is an excellent reading of James’ intent Andrew. As you say, reading the scriptures through the eyes of the Forgiving Victim is not an abstract theological exercise, but rather a learning about human behaviour. Seeing scripture through Jesus’ eyes is an extraordinary learning process, is it not?
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andrew replied to the topic 2.2 Prophecy and interpretation in the forum <i>Jesus the Forgiving Victim</i> Online Course Discussion Forum 6 years ago
James explains that reading the texts through the eyes of the Forgiving Victim is a particular option for interpretation. What difference does this option make to how we interpret Scriptures?
Reading scripture doesn’t have to be a theological exercise. It does not have to be a matter of distinguishing two gods from one another or about o…[Read more] -
Sheelah replied to the topic 2.2 Prophecy and interpretation in the forum <i>Jesus the Forgiving Victim</i> Online Course Discussion Forum 6 years ago
Absolutely, Andrew. James’ intention in this section is to introduce two different approaches to reading Scriptures: the Marcionite way of reading and the fundamentalist approach. He then goes on to demonstrate that by approaching Scriptures as a progressive revelation, we can discover new and more true things about God and ourselves. In t…[Read more]
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Sheelah replied to the topic 2.2 Prophecy and interpretation in the forum <i>Jesus the Forgiving Victim</i> Online Course Discussion Forum 6 years ago
A brilliant description of a chilling event, Andrew.
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andrew replied to the topic 2.2 Prophecy and interpretation in the forum <i>Jesus the Forgiving Victim</i> Online Course Discussion Forum 6 years ago
Have you read, or do you know someone who reads, Scripture from a Marcionite perspective? What question does a Marcionite reading attempt to answer?
I suppose I have heard people talk about “God in the Old Testament” as if this were a distinct from what we read in the Gospels.Why does James say a Marcionite reading of Scriptures is a mis…[Read more]
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andrew replied to the topic 2.2 Prophecy and interpretation in the forum <i>Jesus the Forgiving Victim</i> Online Course Discussion Forum 6 years ago
Share a favorite mystery or detective story. Describe what effect learning “who done it” at the end had on how you viewed certain characters or events from earlier in the story.
The first season of the British television series “Broadchurch” is perhaps the most gripping detective story I have ever been told. It isn’t about a crafty killer wh…[Read more] -
andrew replied to the topic 2.2 Prophecy and interpretation in the forum <i>Jesus the Forgiving Victim</i> Online Course Discussion Forum 6 years ago
Thank you for sharing these quotes, Sheelah. I found them to be quite fertile beginnings for meditation. I look forward to pausing to reread them in the future. These are my thoughts thus far. It’ll help if I enumerate the clauses of the first passage.
(1) Our challenge as Christians is not to try to convert people around us to our way of b…[Read more]
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Sheelah replied to the topic 2.2 Prophecy and interpretation in the forum <i>Jesus the Forgiving Victim</i> Online Course Discussion Forum 6 years ago
Well, Andrew we all have our demons of one sort or another and we all have to learn to forgive ourselves and allow ourselves to be loved. We need more heart knowledge and less head knowledge.
I have always found the following advice from the wonderful John Main and Dorothy Day to come from a deep well of experience, humility and compassion,…[Read more]
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andrew replied to the topic 2.2 Prophecy and interpretation in the forum <i>Jesus the Forgiving Victim</i> Online Course Discussion Forum 6 years ago
Yes, it has occurred to me that it is my neighbors and loved ones who have provided me with my desires, both profound and superficial. But I haven’t ever tried to catalogue precisely which desires come from who.
Yes, I’ve known resentment all too well on too many occasions. It occurred to me one night how much I hated a certain type of person. I…[Read more]
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Sheelah replied to the topic 2.2 Prophecy and interpretation in the forum <i>Jesus the Forgiving Victim</i> Online Course Discussion Forum 6 years ago
I think the best way of helping others to see, is to BE what you believe. Francis of Assisi was reputed to have said “preach the gospel, use words if you have to”. If he didn’t say it, he should have !!
So good to hear from you again Andrew.
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Sheelah replied to the topic 2.2 Prophecy and interpretation in the forum <i>Jesus the Forgiving Victim</i> Online Course Discussion Forum 6 years ago
Andrew, as I read your post, I wonder if you have thought to see all this as relational, not as an abstract concept. James is teaching an anthropology of Christianity, that is, how we relate to one another. Can you think of all the people in your family circle, the workplace and your social life and how you relative to them? Do you ever think…[Read more]
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andrew replied to the topic 2.2 Prophecy and interpretation in the forum <i>Jesus the Forgiving Victim</i> Online Course Discussion Forum 6 years ago
I’d like to publicly thank whoever had the foresight to sell these online subscriptions to the Forgiving Victim series in 2-year stints. It has been a very pleasant experience to think on a question for months, get nowhere with it, and know all the while there is still a supervised forum awaiting my return. Thank you, Sheelah, for your q…[Read more]
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andrew replied to the topic 2.2 Prophecy and interpretation in the forum <i>Jesus the Forgiving Victim</i> Online Course Discussion Forum 6 years ago
Yes, Sheelah, I believe you were correct to describe what I observed as an instantiation of how “The idea of the autonomous self really does die hard.” I was reviewing the first video of module one yesterday. In the introductory bit, before the lessons begin, James says, “What I hope you are going to get from this course is quite how far remov…[Read more]
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Sheelah replied to the topic 2.2 Prophecy and interpretation in the forum <i>Jesus the Forgiving Victim</i> Online Course Discussion Forum 6 years, 4 months ago
Andrew, I’ve frequently observed that the concept that we desire according to the desire of another seems to be immediately obvious to some people but quite a struggle for others. The idea of the autonomous self really does die hard. Would I be correct in thinking that this is what you are observing here? Can you think of any examples or i…[Read more]
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andrew replied to the topic 2.2 Prophecy and interpretation in the forum <i>Jesus the Forgiving Victim</i> Online Course Discussion Forum 6 years, 4 months ago
Share ways in which you have noticed the content, questions or insights from the previous Module showing up in your lives.
Yesterday, I heard someone sharing one of those tell-all accounts of oneself, which certain evangelicals like to call ‘testimonies’. She lamented a former time in her life in which she “didn’t know who she was.” She recalls a…[Read more] -
Sheelah replied to the topic 2.1 The stoning of Achan in the forum <i>Jesus the Forgiving Victim</i> Online Course Discussion Forum 6 years, 5 months ago
Andrew, when you say “I don’t know that I have attained the ‘converted’ position required to do that yet.” I think that most of us spend our lives trying to attain this position and stay there, so fear not ! It is so easy to slip back into the archaic sacred.
Your description of the plight of the undocumented workers in the US is an excellent…[Read more]
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andrew replied to the topic 2.1 The stoning of Achan in the forum <i>Jesus the Forgiving Victim</i> Online Course Discussion Forum 6 years, 5 months ago
No doubt it will be quite an ordeal when I finally come to grips with a personal story as told by the purportedly “evil” characters against who I’d managed to concoct a semblance of “goodness” to ascribe to myself. I don’t know that I have attained the ‘converted’ position required to do that yet. It is much easier to think of oneself unveili…[Read more]
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